Passiflora coriacea
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Francisco Díez
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
Francis,
I believe this is P. sexocellata. It was called P. coriacea in cultivation for the longest time.
I will try to post a picture of P. coriacea.
Christian
I believe this is P. sexocellata. It was called P. coriacea in cultivation for the longest time.
I will try to post a picture of P. coriacea.
Christian
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
Dear Christian,
I am sure is P. coriacea, I started it from seeds that a dear friend sent me from Argentina. They were collected in the north of the country.
As far as I know Passiflora sexocellata grows in central America.
Francisco
I am sure is P. coriacea, I started it from seeds that a dear friend sent me from Argentina. They were collected in the north of the country.
As far as I know Passiflora sexocellata grows in central America.
Francisco
Re: Passiflora coriacea
This is a great conversation. Can someone please explain to me the difference between sexocellata and coriacea? Is there a way that I can tell them apart once grown, or do I need to know where it originated? If they are so close as to have this much difficulty telling them apart, should they not just be varieties of the same species?
Any thoughts would be great!
Eric
Any thoughts would be great!
Eric
Re: Passiflora coriacea
According to a paper from Kristen Porter-Utley in Brittonia in 2007:
Flower cup floor very dark reddish purple or heavily spottedwith very dark reddish purple; outer corona filaments very dark reddish purple at base, greenish yellow at middle and yellow at tips. (S Mexico to Nicaragua) P. sexocellata
Flower cup floor very light greenish yellow or white with some reddish spts and streaks; outer corona filamentswhite with a reddish purple base and appearing banded with light red-dish purple near middle, greenish yellow at middle. (N Venezuela & Colombia to NW Bolivia) P. coriacea
In between geographically there is P. megacoriacea, but it has fruits that are ellipsoid, not globose.
I used to grow both, but a broken furnace got rid of them a few years ago. For me the flowers of P. coriacea appeared white with purple markings and P. sexocellata yellowish green with dark floor and base of outer filaments.
Christian
Flower cup floor very dark reddish purple or heavily spottedwith very dark reddish purple; outer corona filaments very dark reddish purple at base, greenish yellow at middle and yellow at tips. (S Mexico to Nicaragua) P. sexocellata
Flower cup floor very light greenish yellow or white with some reddish spts and streaks; outer corona filamentswhite with a reddish purple base and appearing banded with light red-dish purple near middle, greenish yellow at middle. (N Venezuela & Colombia to NW Bolivia) P. coriacea
In between geographically there is P. megacoriacea, but it has fruits that are ellipsoid, not globose.
I used to grow both, but a broken furnace got rid of them a few years ago. For me the flowers of P. coriacea appeared white with purple markings and P. sexocellata yellowish green with dark floor and base of outer filaments.
Christian
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
How do I upload a picture to show you my P. coriacea? So far I failed miserably.
Christian
Christian
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
Hello Christian,
Thank you so much for posting the pictures displaying the difference between these two species! I have been curious about this for quite some time now and having the pictures really helps to clear it up.
Is there a large difference in size between the two species or within the species itself from the areas in which it is collected? I have seen some P. coriacea in other peoples collections and in pictures and I do have to say that they do not look anything like either one. Since I know that you attended the PSI meeting in France, one example of this would be the very large P. coriacea displayed in Christian Houel's collection. Being that most of them were collected in the wild it is quite possible that they could be a different species altogether, but I thought you may know the variations between these two species and where they are found in the wild.
Thanks again!
Crystal
Thank you so much for posting the pictures displaying the difference between these two species! I have been curious about this for quite some time now and having the pictures really helps to clear it up.
Is there a large difference in size between the two species or within the species itself from the areas in which it is collected? I have seen some P. coriacea in other peoples collections and in pictures and I do have to say that they do not look anything like either one. Since I know that you attended the PSI meeting in France, one example of this would be the very large P. coriacea displayed in Christian Houel's collection. Being that most of them were collected in the wild it is quite possible that they could be a different species altogether, but I thought you may know the variations between these two species and where they are found in the wild.
Thanks again!
Crystal
Re: Passiflora coriacea
I did not see/remember the P. coriacea look-alike in Cormeray at the French National Passiflora Collection, and it is not among my pictures. But anyway the persons you want to speak to are Kristen Porter-Utley and John MacDougal. Do you have a picture of it. There are more than the 3 species mentioned so far. John just joined the Forum. I will alert him about this discussion.
Christian
Christian
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
Hello, all. Thanks to Christian for his very good descriptions of P. coriacea and P. sexocellata. I studied the Cieca group in graduate school and am responsible for splitting this "species complex" up into a couple of separate species. The original photo posted by Francisco is P. sexocellata. Christian's excellent photo of P. coriacea was taken by R. Bernal in Colombia. Thanks to Christian for posting the two photos. They really exemplify the differences between these two species.
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
The large species mentioned by Crystal is Passiflora megacoriacea. Another species that I separated out of the complex. I am on the verge of submitting the scientific paper that describes and compares these three species to one another.
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
Kristen,
Thank you much for the compliments on the picture... as it is mine, part of 10–15 taken 19–23 nov 2002. Possibly the plant was collected by R. Bernal, but if you notice the style sticking out of the bud, here is the same from a different angle showing my greenhouse and my labels (thick plastic with black Dymo). Unfortunately I lost both species because of a major problem with the furnace 6 years ago.
Do you have pictures of the other species of Cieca?
Passiflora sp., 29 Dec 2003, eastern Costa Rica, northern slopes
Christian
Thank you much for the compliments on the picture... as it is mine, part of 10–15 taken 19–23 nov 2002. Possibly the plant was collected by R. Bernal, but if you notice the style sticking out of the bud, here is the same from a different angle showing my greenhouse and my labels (thick plastic with black Dymo). Unfortunately I lost both species because of a major problem with the furnace 6 years ago.
Do you have pictures of the other species of Cieca?
Passiflora sp., 29 Dec 2003, eastern Costa Rica, northern slopes
Christian
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
Sorry, Christian. Aleja Hernandez sent me a nearly identical photo while I was finishing my dissertation (she indicated that it was taken by R. Bernal). I hope that in my dissertation, I gave credit where credit was due. I will send you a copy of the picture. If it is your picture, I need to give the credit to you when I get this thing published. Nice photos! - Kristen
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
Oh... And I do have photos of what I have called P. megacoriacea (from Ron Boender). Do you have others that you would be willing to share? - Kristen
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Re: Passiflora coriacea
Not for the former P. coriacea complex, except the one sterile from Costa Rica I put in my last message, indet. and not collected.
Do not worry about the dissertation, I will check it and tell you.
Christian
Do not worry about the dissertation, I will check it and tell you.
Christian
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Bat-Leaf passiflora?
Hi there,
I've been following your thread and thought you may be able to help me identify this plant, which I photographed in Chiapas.
I'm not a passiflora expert, or a botanist for that matter.
I was wondering what those little marks on the leaves were, too.
Thanks for your time and help.
I can't seem to upload the pic. Sorry
I've been following your thread and thought you may be able to help me identify this plant, which I photographed in Chiapas.
I'm not a passiflora expert, or a botanist for that matter.
I was wondering what those little marks on the leaves were, too.
Thanks for your time and help.
I can't seem to upload the pic. Sorry
Last edited by scook on Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:46 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : can't upload pic)
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P. sexocellata green leaves
Dear All,Kristen Porter-Utley wrote:Hello, all. Thanks to Christian for his very good descriptions of P. coriacea and P. sexocellata. I studied the Cieca group in graduate school and am responsible for splitting this "species complex" up into a couple of separate species. The original photo posted by Francisco is P. sexocellata. Christian's excellent photo of P. coriacea was taken by R. Bernal in Colombia. Thanks to Christian for posting the two photos. They really exemplify the differences between these two species.
Thank you very much for this interesting discussion. I could clearly understand the differences between P. coriacea and P. sexocellata but I still have a question.
In your pictures, P. coriacea seems to have green leaves while P. sexocellata has dappled leaves, but we have in our collection a P. sexocellata with green leaves. Could that depends on temperature or it could be a subsp or var?
Kind regards
Jacopo
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