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Identification of P. caerulea and edulis

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Identification of P. caerulea and edulis

Post by tropique on Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:54 pm

good evening

   What is the exact non p.caéruléa this?

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       caerulea unknown

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        Compare with another caerulea

 
  edulis edulis or not?


Quadrangularis or alata ?


  
          thank you very much

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Re: Identification of P. caerulea and edulis

Post by tropique on Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:39 am

good evening

If my passiflora are identified here, no one else can to identify them.
Help me please!
  thank you very much

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Re: Identification of P. caerulea and edulis

Post by EWortman on Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:09 pm

Hi there,

My thoughts:

P. caerulea, unless you grow them from wild collected seed, or get them from someone who knows the origin, is a lost cause trying to identify. Between the drastic variability of the species to the fact that many sold now as P. caerulea are indeed hybrids, it makes it nearly impossible. For instance, I have about 20 blooming P. x violacea x P. caerulea hybrid siblings growing in my yard. Most of the look exactly like a caerulea, with just slight variations. There are many other examples of hybrids with 75% or more P. caerulea that just look like a caerulea. I also created P. caerulea Constance Elliot x (P. caerulea x P. loefgrenii), and it turned out to look exactly like a P.caerulea as well. That one went straight in the compost bin!

As for the rest, I think the 3rd picture actually looks a bit like P. x colvilli, but I could easily be wrong. Hopefully someone else will respond to help you out.

The 4th, I think P. alata is most likely, though if your leaf nectary glands are bright yellow, it might also be P. phoenicea.

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Re: Identification of P. caerulea and edulis

Post by tropique on Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:41 pm

Bonsoir EWortman

   What you say is very informative and exciting.
   This forum is the best school, to know the fascinating world of passiflora
    thank you IFIN

  J hopes to help others for identification.

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Re: Identification of P. caerulea and edulis

Post by tropique on Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:36 pm

good evening
   No I can not seem to find the name of the passiflora /
    Self- sterile.
    Does not hybridize with: flavicarpa --alata--Lavender Lady--Cary
    Hybridizes with: caerulea --edulis Other --- Purple Haize.
    I am sure that c is : a) caerulea x edulis edulis
b) edulis edulis x caerulea

    Thank you for your help.
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Re: Identification of P. caerulea and edulis

Post by Nick on Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:00 am

That sounds about right. looking at the leaf, Its longer and slimmer like caerulea, but has the thicker three lobed leaves edulis has. And the flower does look like a cross of both. Nice wavy filaments from edulis with the darker center like edulis but you can clearly see the purple center of the flower differs from the lighter coloured ring of purple like a cearulea might. Try to cut the flower in half and take a picture of its nectar base or a photo of the petiolar glands just behind the leaf. Both will greatly help to identify a hybrids parents. Though no promices. you can look up other edulis x caerulea crosses like p. Dark star, p. 'excel', p. sapphire( which you have) If you can see a few things incommon with them you atleast have a better idea of who the parents might be.
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