Anyone know anything about these hybrids?

We saw both of these blooming at Christian Houel's Garden in France. I can find no information on them, and would like to know more. For instance, does anyone know who the breeder is? How about the parentage? The ploidy? Any help would be appreciated.

P. 'Princesse Hollande' - Those filaments are so thick and waxy... I just can't place the possible parentage.


P. 'Rook Li' - This reminded me a lot of 'Panda', but has some differences.


Thanks!

Hi Eric ,

I am also still searching around for the parentage of 'Princess Holland' but no one knows anything about it! Strange.

Rob